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Hi Hearts Blessing
Thank you so much for your site and input under Godâs guidance. I have read the site extensively as well as any other books etc I could on Mlc.
Bomb drop was Oct â13. Itâs an emotional affair separated by continents.
After the first weeks of begging etc I read extensively and with Godâs word I was able to find a place of peace and my journey began.
**It sounds like your Intuition began taking hold within you, as God began leading you directly. He has His ways of catching peopleâs attention, and if people will pay attention to the various signs He gives in the beginning, theyâll always know what to do.
People will often ask me for what they would need to read in Godâs Word that is helpfulâand I usually advise them to read Job, Proverbs, Psalms, Hosea (if the person is a man), Isaiah, and Malachi.
It sounds like youâre doing really well at the time of this writing.
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In Jan we tried to connect and then 23/2 he moved home without even consulting me. I knew it was a mistake and it lasted 3 days. I threw him out and imposed serious boundaries â no contact with me except for our teens and finance.
**When I advise people, one thing I donât advise unless He tells me to is to throw the MLC spouse out of the house. Now, this does NOT mean I think you made a mistake, because you received direct instructions from God, and I donât question His direct instructions that Iâm aware that He has given to people directlyâŚand in each instance youâve faced, His Hand has laid directly upon the situation.
I always tell people they KNOW their spouse better than anyone except Godâand though He will often give me various instructions to pass on to someone Iâm advising, itâs always better if they are receiving direct instruction from Him. I will never tell you something that goes against your Intuition.
However, there are times of instructions He has given that people can get confused aboutâand this is where a given situation can get stickyâbecause God will sometimes give instructions that seem confusing, or seem to be against what a person was taught, but He will not give you instruction that will cause you physical hurt.
On my part, when instructed, I often deliver confirmation, affirmation, encouragement, and sometimes additional instruction that is often hard to assimilate. In other words, the person knows what to do, but has trouble understanding why they would need to do it-they canât see the future impact. In times like those, itâs enough to simply believe, have faith, and understand that God truly does know what Heâs doingâand though youâve had a lot of drama, you translate across as someone who knows to obey Him, even when His instruction doesnât always seem to make sense to you.
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He hit major depression and was close to tears, dark eyes, not sleeping, foot aching, a mere shell of the man I knew â it was terrible to see but I stood firm.
**This man was caught in the middle of two womenâtrying to end his emotional affair, but when he was trying to return, he was wanting the best of both worlds, too. Denied that, he went into the affair processing that included the attempt to break the addiction to how this emotional affair made him feel.
Also, he was fighting a hard battle within himself-between what he knew was right, and what he wanted, that was wrong. Horrible to look at, but necessary for him to go through.
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He moved into a house 1km from us â 4 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms but he only took his bed and tv. Said he wanted to meet OW before he could be with me 100%. OW had let him down 3 times previous even though heâd sent her money for a plane ticket.
**I know itâs wrong what he said and chose to do, but to explain, MLC spouses are on a quest for their lifeâs companion, amongst other things. Of course, in his selfishness, the man didnât realize that he was treading on thin ice within the aspect of the possibility you could have simply told him to go on, get out of your life, and all he was thinking of was himself.
Itâs a good illustration of how self-absorbed MLC spouses become, and this contributes to their unawareness and the aspect of this being all about them, and nothing to do with their spouse. He wanted to âmake sureâ she wasnât âThe Oneâ before he âsettledâ for you. That can be such a hard emotional blow to a left-behind spouse who has been there for so long, stood with their spouse through thick and thin, honored their marriage vows, and for some it becomes too much, so they get a divorce.
However, as the left-behind spouseâs Journey toward Wholeness and Healing continues forward, they begin to realize that it really doesnât matter whom they may choose to be with, the fact is, the MLC spouse will certainly pay in emotional spades for their treatment of the left-behind spouse, and itâs also realized that the power to choose not only lies with the mid-life spouse, but also with the left-behind spouse, as well.
Mid-life spouses are a strange and rebellious people in that they think itâs OK if they do whatever they want, when they want, and within a wrong aspect of taking the left-behind spouse for granted, they seem to think they can also return whenever they want, and it surprises them, when they hit an emotional brick wall in the form of a boundary/limit, and theyâre informed in word, and often action, that they arenât the only ones who have choices, the left-behind spouse has them, too.
This aspect of realization often brings on a hard tantrum, and an argument about people âhavingâ to do what theyâre supposed to do, when no one has to do what they donât CHOOSE to doâŚ.just as the left-behind spouse discovers they have choices, so does the mid-life spouse discover this, too.
Sometimes that enough to scare them into beginning to grow up, sometimes itâs notâit all depends on how much feeling they still retain within for the left-behind spouseâthis whole âdanceâ is based on human nature, and how much strength the left-behind spouse has, plus how willing they are to stand and become a âdrawâ that the mid-life spouse chooses to pursue.
Also, God can, upon the request of the left-behind spouse, work His Hand within the mid-life spouseâs heart, and add to the love and attraction that is already thereâwhat is within the heart, the mind will usually followâhowever, this usually doesnât happen until the mid-life spouse becomes receptive to the work God can and will do in their hearts.
It all takes time, and itâs part of their emotional redevelopment.
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Within 3 weeks he contacted me again wanting to reconcile 4/4/. I told him I would not contact him all contact was to come from him. I accepted when he came over and we had contact where weâd do things together ie working on his lens lab, garden etc. it was pleasant. He had said heâd be open and honest with me so on 5/5 I asked him for the passwords on his cell. Silence, he refused saying I wouldnât understand the content.
**Itâs always interesting when the mid-life spouse refuses access to their content within emails, cellphones, etc., with the comment that the left-behind spouse wouldnât understand the content. In one way, he would be right, because itâs hard to understand how a spouse, who took vows stating fidelity and honor, could go down such a road of depravityâhowever, in another way, he was being controlling, because in his mind, who are YOU to ask HIM for anythingâand quite frankly, the mid-life spouse feels that their business is NO ONEâs businessâŚthey are quite secretive in their teenage behaviors.
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I said if I was unable to read it then it was inappropriate behaviour for a married man and withdrew my friendship.
**You were right in what you said, and you set a physical and emotional boundary on him. Itâs interesting you withdrew your friendshipâbut I also see a kind of attitude Iâd learned to haveâyou donât cut deals with the devil, because you will get burnt every timeâFriends donât treat friends just any old wayâŚand this also connects with the fact that God and Sin cannot coexist within the same space/placeâŚand if Sin cannot or will not be confessed to, so it can be faced, resolved, worked out, forgiven, and change for the better created, then the âdealâ is off, and is withdrawn from the table.
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In my journey I have found unconditional love and a non judgemental attitude. I told him as I always have that I love him unconditionally but that his behaviour was problematic. I imposed no contact except for teens and finances again. He tried to break the rules but I ignored him. Even had my birthday without him and this stressed him out as I collected his mom (who is visiting) from his house and took her but left him. He had bought me a present. I seem to exist in his life again and I see a marked change in him. Huge weight loss now.
**Separating behavior and people is a hard aspect to complete. However this is necessary in order to learn detachment, and to learn how to deal with difficult people as a whole. I often see people who really donât understand what this meansâyet, you show this aspect clearly. You love this man, but donât like his behavior, and that is perfectly acceptable, as it is how God deals with people, and how God can love people in the unconditional way He does. God loves us all, but He is very clear on what is and isnât acceptable from us in the way of behaviorâHe is a God of Boundaries in regards to behaviorsâhowever, His Unconditional Love knows NO boundaries, because He loves us even to and past the point of our greatest need.
He also teaches us the ultimate lesson in letting go, because He will do this same thingâand let people hang themselves, if necessary. Itâs often asked why a loving God would be this wayâbut you think about itâif God reached down and rescued people every time they made a mistake, or faced a trial, what would they learn from each event? Nothing at allâŚso God will let people run the entire gauntlet of sin, if necessaryâbecause sometimes that is the only way people will learn their lessonsâyou have many people who will learn the hard way, because they refuse to learn any other way.
The weight loss you saw was his inner battle ramping up, because he was making a bigger and bigger mess within his life, and within himselfâand he was seeing you continue to move beyond his emotional reach. To other people who donât understand, it would seem you were mistreating him in some way, but you werenâtâŚhe was being caused to continue suffering consequences for his continued wrong actions toward you.
He seems to be a hard nut to crack openâAmerican expression for someone who is very stubborn.
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On 26/5 he arrived unannounced and I took him to task on the boundaries. I saw anger cross his face. He spent the day fixing our gate but I ignored him. He came to say goodbye and give me a hug but I told him again about the friendship / love so no hugs. He stomped off.
**Thought to have what he wanted, thought to do something that would soften your resolve, but none of it worked, so he got madâbut it seems within this next paragraph, he had to learn get glad in the same britches he got mad in.
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Within 2 hrs he called to say he wanted to come home. I said he could prov all conditions had been met ie no Ow. He said it was off and had been pear shaped for a while. I knew he was in communication with 3 other ladies and he said they were merely friends. Told him not to come home. He spewed, half his house and stuff me heâs coming home. I ignored his texts. The next morning he arrived with his stuff and unloaded still mad. I said if he was calm then I would listen to him as he was still spewing. Halfway through the move he spoke and said heâd really like to try get a new marriage on track. He had looked at his life going back and heâd looked at his personality. He was tired of stagnating and wanted to be happy. Told him I couldnât make him happy that happiness comes from within and is his choice.
**Interesting that things went south with the other woman, but then he picks up three other ladiesâŚitâs quite obvious heâs still not getting with the program..however, your boundaries remained firm, and he figured to return home anyway. He was angry, because he was not getting things HIS way.
What I also see here, is an attempt to bargain in some wayâbut his stagnation, as you know is HIS doing, and of course, HE has to fix itâyou know you canât. Him saying he wanted to get a new marriage on track, isnât going to work until he faces himself in an honest way, and this would take time to do.
You know you canât allow him to simply sweep this under the carpet, and never deal with it. He canât be allowed to avoid himself, and if he doesnât get himself together, this will keep happening within him, because his issues wonât leave him aloneâthey will keep returning.
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I have grown and matured, I love who I am. I have confronted and sorted out my issues and see his issues clearly. I have peace and the most amazing relationship with God who has given me wisdom and strength. I have managed to detach and see the humor in things. I had prayed for a marriage shake up as we werenât connecting. Never expected this but wouldnât change the experience.
**The journey into wholeness and healing is a long one, but well worth walking. One of the aspects you have learned is to build and maintain a relationship with God, who will guide you closely, teach you many things about yourself, your mid-life spouse, your life, detachment, and the various lifeâs lessons weâre to learn throughout. This same journey is never ending if we continue walking forward, and looking to God for ourselves, and our future growthâŚand our relationship with God is a bountiful, and boundless one, as there is also so much to learn about Him.
This trial would have happened anyway, but you see the importance of going through this, even as you continue walking through it.
Youâre doing well. đ
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However with him now at home I have huge trust issues that I am battling with. I have told him I donât want to be a policeman and check his cell all the time. I cannot control him and should he wish to continue to cheat he will find a way.
**What youâre suffering at this point in time, is what I see as battles within the mind. Satan plays his part in trying to keep you off-balance within various areas of emotional trust. What I learned to do, was to place ALL my trust in God alone, with the knowing that IF something happened, I would know, because He would show me.
That went a long way toward settling my personal trust issues, because I learned that I was not required to trust ANY human being with my feelingsâas long as I trusted God alone, I was more able to be at peace within myself, and detachment becomes more comfortable, because reality is more easily dealt with, and God does help to settle oneâs fears of an uncertain future.
Before I learned this, I was much like youâa mid-life spouse who has turned a marriage totally upside down, has destroyed every last bit of trust and love that once existed within the marriage. In order to regain and rebuild trust that has been destroyed, they must become trustworthy, be willing to do whatever is necessary to earn trustâtrust, like respect is EARNED, and itâs earned by consistent actions, transparency, and if you ask to see his phone, he would need to immediately give it to you.
Also, while itâs true that if he truly wants to cheat, he will find a way, he should, in time, learn to understand that in order to build a trusting relationship, he would need to do his part in being accountable.
However, I donât think heâs ready for total transparency, because heâs still in total rebellion. He still has so much to outgrow within his childish attitudes, etc.
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I prayed the hedge of thorns around him on 22/5 and thatâs when things started changing. My question is how do I treat him now that heâs at home?
**The Lord will continue guiding you forward within this aspect, and I suspect from your next post, He is guiding you along within a time of âbridgingâ an emotional gap with your husband. Until heâs emotionally strong enough to take hard accountability for his actions against his marriage, you will be called upon to lead in love and acceptance.
Is contact with other ladies that he admits having sexually texted in the past cake eating?
**Is he still doing it now? If so, he would be guilty of trying to have a relationship with you, and having one with them, which would be clear cake eatingâhowever, the solution is not always to decide to throw him back out of the houseâIf the Lord instructs you to do it, then do soâŚbut Iâm not getting any clear direction on this, except that you are being led by Him.
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I feel strongly that it is morally wrong but want him to have to make the choice to end things as itâs his life and his problem.
**You would be right, because heâs the one dishonoring himself, by exhibiting dishonorable behaviorâand his consequences will continue to be harsh in this aspect.
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Is he still in replay â was that major depression OW withdrawal?
**He is still in Replayâand the other question about other woman withdrawal, I answered above, but yes, that was what he went through, as he had to work out the emotional addiction to how she made him feel.
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Is it still time for space or gently leading the way? Iâd so appreciate your input under Godâs guidance. Thank you.
Honeydew
**This was something you answered belowâŚbecause youâre alternating between giving him space, and leading the way, as God continues to lead you.
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Hi Hearts Blessing I think having to wait for your response was all part of the âbigger pictureâ so please donât stress as itâs been an amazing time!
The last 2 days I have had such personal emotional discoveries in my journey. These were critical growth areas for me and I strongly feel Godâs presence telling me to guide my MLC gently with love and by focusing on trust issues I will land up pushing him away.
**As I said somewhere above, put all your trust in GODâand donât worry about trusting your husband. If something goes wrong, God will let you know, and He will also instruct you in what you would need to do in order to handle it.
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His cellphone and online gaming are the only areas where he knows he can try push my buttons. On Monday I confronted him and then changed my normal reactions. He spewed a bit but came down quickly. I saw the defiant teenager in him then but I notice he is listening. His actions speak loudly â hugs me, made me coffe in bed (extremely rare even when newly married), helped paint the lounge, asking where our teens are and hugging them (whereas before he made no real effort to see them since he left 8 months ago) will come looking for me when I give him space.
**You would need to target yourself to see what issues he is triggering through his bad behavior. What is it within you that suffers through the pushing of emotional buttons when you see him on his cellphone, or on the online gaming sites? I would suspect these are connected with your trust issues that you continue to struggle with, especially in light of recent events.
Itâs quite understandable to go through these things, but with the help of the Lord you will continue working your way through.
Itâs very apparent that heâs in process of resolving a defiant teenager, but at the same time, he is receptive to what youâre speaking to him.
This is a time of connecting in a way thatâs necessary for the two of you. Itâs a time of âdatingâ and getting to know each other again. However, IF he is still contacting these women, he would be guilty of trying to balance the best of both worlds, and he will need to learn he cannot have bothâhe would need to choose only one.
However, at this time, from what I understand, youâre being instructed to continue âbridgingâ the emotional gap with him, and when the time is rightâIF he hasnât stopped his contact with these women, you will be instructed to make him choose what he wants at that time.
Until such a time, youâve been instructed to wait and see if he outgrows whatever need these women were meeting in him, on his own. Either way, he would go back into a processing designed to break this emotional addiction to wanting another womanâs admiration, affirmation, and the apparent sexual complication/addiction that has caused a serious problem within his marriage.
In the meantime, youâre continuing to build a solid relationship with God, and continuing to learn about yourself, your husband, and your past marital dynamicsâand I suspect there are more aspects coming to light that youâre exploring, even as youâre learning to attach and detach at a momentâs notice as youâre walking this emotional tightrope within your situation.
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God is with me and the discoveries I make about myself are found in the strangest places. MLC continues and I know there will be rough waters ahead.
**Isnât that the truth? Each discovery we make about ourselves ARE found in the strangest of places. Not only will God will send us into places we wouldnât think we would find anythingâbut we will often find everything we need in such an unexpected place, and in such an unexpected way.
However, God knows more than we do, and if we keep our minds open, He will teach us all we need to know, and more teaching comes over time. Best source of learning I ever learned to tap into in my life.
You would be rightâthe mid-life crisis continues, and this time youâre in, is just a time of learning to build a connection with your mid-life spouse that should sustain the two of you going forward. Itâs just a matter of him settling some things within himself at this time, that will begin triggering more emotional growth within himself.
God is definitely showing you that this trial isnât over, just because this man has returned, and things are beginning to look better. There is still a long journey ahead, but itâs all part of our growth that continues to unfold in each one of us who are continuing to deal with this time of life.
You are doing very well at this time. đ
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Thank you Hearts Blessing your site is truly a lighthouse for The LBS.
**Youâre welcome, but, LOL, I donât do one thing, except talk to peopleâŚtheyâre the ones that do the heavy lifting with the help of God. I always said I could provide the necessary resources, but the rest is up to the person to whom I give the advice.
I had help when it was me, help that God sent me, plus, when the time was right, He did take over from that same help, and led me directly throughout-and is still leading me forward. This is the purpose of teaching people to make a solid connection with God. Your Intuition is the most important gift you will ever receive.
God sends me and others like me, to point the way forward. Although it can get very stressful at times, the journey is very rewarding, because it teaches you things you never knew before. If I said I didnât get stressed at times, at this point of my own current journey, I would be lying, because most of the time, Iâm struggling to get people to get their focus off of their mid-life spouses, and struggling to get them to understand the importance of taking their journey for themselves.
Itâs hard at times, because people often question and even challenge my knowledge of this road Iâve already been down so many times in the pastâI walked it twice for myself, and many, many times, walking with other people. However, I maintain a lot of patience, because I remember what it was like when I was walking in those same shoes. I asked a lot of questions, and even challenged God Himself at times.
There was so much I didnât understand all that time ago, and because I was such a stubborn person, I made a lot of mistakes that resulted in things being harder on me than they would have been had I just listened and did what I was advised to do. But, like I do now with people, I was let go to make my own mistakes, learned some things the hard way, and I deal with people in much the same way.
So, I simply pass along what Iâve learned, and give people into the hands of the Lord to deal with.
I hope this helps.
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